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The persecution of Christians is on the increase around the world
FRONT ROYAL, Va. March 22 /Christian Newswire/ — In a letter to President Bush, Christian Freedom International urged for the immediate release of Abdur Rahman, a man who is in prison for his faith in Afghanistan. Rahman faces the death penalty because he converted to Christianity.

“Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident,” said Christian Freedom International President Jim Jacobson. “The persecution of Christians is an increasing, unintended consequence of the War on Terror. Minority Christians face severe and growing persecution in many Islamic nations including Indonesia, Bangladesh, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere. This must be condemned at the highest levels wherever and whenever it occurs.”

“The arrest and imprisonment of Mr. Rahman for converting to Christianity is a cause of major concern for all freedom-loving people, but it is the tip of the iceberg,” said Jacobson. “His case is one of the few times in recent history the ‘mainstream media’ actually covered a story on Christian persecution.”

“While we want Mr. Rahman to go free, there are thousands of other persecuted Christians in Islamic nations just like him,” said Jacobson. “Becoming a Christian should not be considered a crime in Afghanistan or elsewhere.”

My dear brother. I am sorry for having taken this long to answer you, and I will combine my responses below. To Mohammad, my other brother, I am still working on a viable response, but it is coming.

My friend, Of course it is of no use to ask people while you have already formed your opinion, yet i will try to transfer my point of view to you

No, of course there is a use! How can we grow if we do not engage in the intelligent discussions?

1- any religion is just a unique experience of each person, my islam is not like the islam of my friend, the religion is affected by the humans way of thinking

I say this in love… you are not a true Moslem, Maged. In a way, I thank God that you were saved from a thirst for blood and a hate, but a true Moslem will think that a Christian–even a good one–can never go to heaven. Also, a true Christian is marked by the fact that he can only accept JESUS CHRIST as the WAY, the TRUTH, and THE LIFE, No man can come to the Father (God) but through Him (Jesus)!

Christianity is a religion of moral absolutes. Jesus is the ONLY WAY you can enter heaven, according to the Bible. Even praying to Mary, His mother, will not get you there.

god will not visit you in your dreams and tell you what did he mean by his text, it is only you who have the responsiblity to understand his holy texts and hence it is affected by your mind and your background

This puts you in the driver’s seat, doesn’t it! What if I am retarded mentally and cannot understand? Will the god suddenly be nicer to me than to, for example, a genius as yourself? There is no divine sliding scale of salvation and after-life retribution!

2- in islam, there is no reason to kill anyone at all unless he tries to kill you or fight you, and if he stops then you should stop too, this is my understanding for the holy texts

Boy, you are really not a true Moslem! :-)
(I believe you are so in error about the holy text, then! You can’t apply
” 3a2l ” and rational and modern or even humanistic thought to your ’scriptures,’ dear brother. As Dr Wafaa said, this is really a barbaric and outdated faith… I have to modify her words, however, because the teachings were never NOT outdated! That is to say, they were wrong the from the first day they were printed! The Koran is ” ghalat fy ghalat! “

when a country falls in the muslim hands muslims pays “zakaa” which is amount of money that will be spread on All poor people, muslims or not, on the other side not muslims should pay “gizya”, this money is not forced of you if you don’t have money, it means you have to pay if you have the money, i don’t think this is strange, you pay your taxes, right?

Well, I think this is interesting the way you put it… I was under the impression that if you don’t pay the jizya you get beaten up or your head is taken by the sword.. but maybe I (and the thousands of villagers in Egypt who have been beaten up or worse) am wrong!
Also, what is wrong with collecting the same tax from everyone and distributing it evenly? Why segment the population like this? Aren’t we divided enough? Don’t the Copts do a good enough job of dividing us by the simple use of their name? Unity is a good first step to fixing the nation, but this does not mean that we can gloss over truths, such as the validity of any given religion.

3- anyone who kills any man, muslim or not muslim without a reason (the only reason i know in islam is for another death crime or defending himself in deadly situation), if a muslim commit that crime then he will have the worst punishment, if you don’t know our prophet -PBUH- said that if any muslim hurt any non-muslim in an islamic land, he himself will be against him in the after life before god, he will support the non-muslim to take his right from the muslim man

Well, if it truly says that, I’m sure that the “prophet” changed his mind about it at some point. Also, even if this is what he meant, I don’t think that it is carried out! At least, not in Egypt!

that is the justice i understand and love in islam!!

Ya habeeebi, you are so misguided :-( Even more than the true Moslems, you have a very sunny outlook on the faith, and I think your Moslem brothers would disagree with your feeling that each man’s Islam is different.

Islam, like Christianity, is based on teachings. (The same teachings, in fact! Only your prophet must have fallen asleep when he was on one page, and picked up on another page, because–for one author, he certainly mucked about a great deal!)

Enough from this old post. Let us now move to the new post from today, 22 March 2006.

if you have something to tell me, post it on my blog or send it to my mail, i would love to continue this discussion :)

I look forward to a lively debate! You must promise me that we will end up friends who disagree, however, rather than enemies! :-)

I really pity you because you think you have the truth!!

Well, this is one of the things I love about Christianity! We CAN know where we will end up in the afterlife. We DO HAVE a cure for the spiritual cancer, and that is Jesus Christ. How, then, can you pity me?

thinking that you knwo the truth you will never work really hard and open minded to obtain it, you will always be satisfied with what you have which leads to nothing but what is inside you!!

What I have leads to the Cross! I work very hard, brother, and I struggle daily to live a life that is marginally pleasing to God. I know I fall short, I know that, without the cleansing and precious Blood of His Son, I will never be able to approach Him, the Father. But the sacrifice of Jesus creates a bridge, a Holy Bridge to the Father, and allows me to see Him and stand before Him, sinner though I may be. Ahhh, the freedom and the mercy and the comfort I have, knowing that He went to all this trouble.. Just For Me!

I don’t belive I know anything and that is why i spend my time in seeking the truth, on the other side you are spending yoru time fighting to prove that what you think is true, good for you

Thank you, Socrates, that is very comforting, and I, too, know nothing! BUT I know someone who DOES KNOW EVERYTHING, because HE IS THE ONE, the Holy and Precious One who made everything! I think you have a bigger with Christians than with the Bible. I don’t blame you!

I do have a question, by the way… Do you consider a pious and Good Moslem who is very devout and would never consider another way… do you consider HIM to also be like me, ignorant and set in his ways?

I am not sure whether you object to the fact that I am not actively seeking another way to truth (since I’ve already “found it”) or if you object to the fact that I am part of another religion.

Does this mean you are only happy when you find people who are unsure of their faith, and who even question the great Koran? You may have freedom of thought (to a certain degree) by admitting that a good Christian is better than a bad Moslem, but I don’t know what will make you happiest?

A: A person who blindly follows Islam
B: A “free-thinker” who follows his own interpretation of Islam
C: A free thinking soul who believes that the Koran is wrong, but followed the five pillars
D: A free-thinker who is unaffiliated
E: A Christian who interprets what he likes, who DOES NOT convert to Islam, but who puts credence in the Koran
F: A person who puts in 90 years on earth, never settling on one religion, always seeking an elusive truth until the day he died, and never stuck to any one religion. At least if he chose one, he would have a chance of salvation in that one religion..!

just by chance i came by your post few hours after i posted a related topic on my blog!!

” Al7amdolelah! “
God sent you to me! Please consider my comments and I look forward to continuing this when you have a moment.

May God open your mind to His absolute, timeless and un-changing truth!

I just pressed “PUBLISH” but then reread my previous post.

I come across as a rabid, anti-Islamic and hateful individual. I did not mean to be. I let myself be influenced by the influx of rhetoric that has recently (today) filled my inbox, and I am sorry.

Moslems aren’t losers, they’re misguided. I really feel very bad for the sincere ones who do all the five pillars, and pray so much and feel like they have a good relationship with Allah.

They will have a big surprise come Judgment Day, and I hope that they will find the truth before then!

They aren’t the only people who will have a problem come Judgement Day, but there is a huge number of “Good Moslems”–such good people who think they’re following what is actually a false religion–who remind me of the Emporer in the Emporer’s New Clothes.

They think that they have clothes on, but they really don’t.

The Moslems think they have salvation, but they really can’t, because Allah doesn’t exist, and Mohammad is not his prophet, both because you can’t be the prophet of something that does not exist, and because no god in his right mind would ever choose such a bloodthirsty and perverted hellion to be his ambassador. Unless this god was the head of the BDSM universe, or something like this.

I am working on a manifesto to be distributed to all the “Secular Moslems” out there, so that they can know what’s going on, and save themselves before it’s too late.

I am sorry again for sounding like a prophet of doom and being cruel before.

Forgive me, pray for me, and love me, your fallen brother, that’s all I ask of you!

You may not have heard that Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, a 22-year old graduate of UNC, has recently gone on a joyride that ended in the injuries of nearly a dozen onlookers.

This article by Kathleen Parker is a great source of information and humour on the matter, and posits a good question. Read this and see if you can tease the query out:

What’s less clear is whether Taheri-azar is a madman, a jihadist, a terrorist, all of the above, or just a loser who happens to be a Muslim. UNC officials have studiously avoided labeling the event a “terrorist attack,” while some students have protested (to the acclaim of many in the blogosphere) that the university is caving to political correctness by failing to call a terrorist a terrorist.

I’m happy to use the “T” word where applicable, but the university may be right this time. Instead of a terrorist, Taheri-azar may be a simple nutcase who grabbed the jihad handle as convenient, self-important and certain to attract attention.

I think that one option is being overlooked–That all true and faithful Moslems (all that kill or mistreat people in an attempt to make “more” of themselves, justifiably, because the “prophet” said they could) are nutcases (her word) who happened to be born into this cult and grabbed the Moslem handle.

And the ones who don’t intimately know their own scriptures, the ones who fail to wake up and smell the blood on their hands–or the hands of their “religion”–could just be, as Kathleen Parker mused, seen as losers… pure and simple.